tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7023484431672164937.post5088328981913237342..comments2016-10-04T19:58:43.272+13:00Comments on Dave Thinking Aloud: Intalio as a complete development environment?David Frenchhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09850658569729205096noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7023484431672164937.post-75193204858663286632010-12-28T02:22:33.520+13:002010-12-28T02:22:33.520+13:00Very nice article. However, given that 3 years hav...Very nice article. However, given that 3 years have passed since this got posted, I am curious to know how things stand now!! We are considering the enterprise version because of the additional bells and whistles - of which we feel rule engine and BAM are important. <br /><br />Specifically, we are looking at Intalio with Drools (Govner) for BRE (BRMS). For UI, would Liferay/Socailportal (whicherver is shiped) isuffice to build a reason)able UI (along with Orbeon XForms?<br /><br />Any first hand information of Intalio BPMS' shortcomings and how it has been addressed by enterprises would be really helpful.Narendran Thillaisthanamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16957380026153670223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7023484431672164937.post-50123136420163025482008-06-19T00:29:00.000+12:002008-06-19T00:29:00.000+12:00Dave, I wish I had more time to react to your post...Dave, I wish I had more time to react to your post with a complete answer ; that might come later.<BR/><BR/>Just one precision for now: we ship our EE version with BIRT for our BAM product.Antoine Toulméhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10554078579336455758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7023484431672164937.post-34893264781818693832008-06-18T21:39:00.000+12:002008-06-18T21:39:00.000+12:00You could ask Intalio or on the Tempo group but I ...You could ask Intalio or on the Tempo group but I recall a comment some time ago that the Absence Request example was hand coded XFORMS. That is not really a bad thing, most XFORMS work is done without a graphical editor ... just write the XML in a text editor and display the result in a browser window (XMLSPY does this well)David Frenchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09850658569729205096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7023484431672164937.post-20321956016168663232008-06-18T21:29:00.000+12:002008-06-18T21:29:00.000+12:00Hi Dave,I have been too following the thread and i...Hi Dave,<BR/><BR/>I have been too following the thread and it has been quite informative. <BR/><BR/>Regarding the Srimal's question related to table control, would it be possible for us to tell how Intalio developed the Absence Request sample without using the Designer? That will help us to get an idea how we should exactly get about this problem.<BR/><BR/>Thanks<BR/>CrishanthaCrishantha Nanayakkarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08872277536165460147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7023484431672164937.post-18390402781911952452008-06-18T21:12:00.000+12:002008-06-18T21:12:00.000+12:00The options appear to be 1. Initiate a D3 developm...The options appear to be <BR/>1. Initiate a D3 development (and fund it to make it happen) within the Intalio stable. I would recommend against a custom widget or even a sensible implementation of the existing table one. Move to a more effective implementation of the XFORMS group ... which is how tables are delivered in native XFORMS implementations.<BR/>2. Deliver a stand-alone bit of XSLT to edit the XFORM file generated by the Designer to add XFORMS structures that work as you want them to (read up on XFORMS for this). You would need to avoid messing with Intalio's use of Input and Output structures. This approach is seriously hampered by the fact that each round trip through designer loses anything you put in.<BR/>3. Totally ignore licence restrictions and hack the designer to work how you want it. No, I don't think this is a good idea but if you are capable of doing it, there is probably a better job for you at Intalio.<BR/>4. Follow the information on replacing the UI completely and use a full featured UI development tool (there are a heap of them open source and proprietary). It will help if the tool that you choose allow you to introspect the wsdl.<BR/>I recommend this approach because it allows you to do contract-first design as well as recognise that the BPMS part of your business is not the only thing that users interact with and you may want a consistent user interface. Eclipse-based tools might be the best bet having the potential for integration (but not I think in the current community version of Intalio)<BR/><BR/>I suspect the use of XFORMS in designer was not intended as the ultimate solution ... more as a starter kit. Unfortunately having started with it you have to stop and get into a production version.David Frenchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09850658569729205096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7023484431672164937.post-55077790345395794062008-06-18T20:36:00.000+12:002008-06-18T20:36:00.000+12:00Thanks for a very insightful article.Regarding inp...Thanks for a very insightful article.<BR/><BR/>Regarding input/output i n forms widgets..<BR/><BR/>We have a requirement for developing table controls that have 'input-output behaviour'. The current designer <BR/>allows only 'input' or 'output' as separate behaviours.<BR/><BR/>Is there a possiblity of creating a custom wigdet for intallio forms to support table controls that have 'input-output behaviour?<BR/><BR/>Thanks in advance<BR/><BR/>Srimal.srimalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11402911255819476512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7023484431672164937.post-9972226529456831892008-01-15T17:45:00.000+13:002008-01-15T17:45:00.000+13:00Nice Article dave, very helpful and insightful.Im ...Nice Article dave, very helpful and insightful.<BR/><BR/>Im just 3 months into developing on this platform and your article has shed some light indeed...<BR/><BR/>Chris<BR/>christiancrystal@gmail.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com